Information from the Pesticide Safety Directorate Information from other sources including DOW Agrochemicals Several people have emailed me to say that they too have a problem which they suspect is caused by contaminated manure such as ours. Some have given permission for me to mention them here. Please keep information coming in as many people are now visiting our website to read about the problem. Also check out visitors comments area as I haven't repeated full messages here just summaries. Click here to email me if you want to be added to the list. Where it is considered appropriate I have added comments in green. (Simon - according to the RHS marrows and pumpkins often look as though. John posted on our blog that they have problems in the West Midlands and are in touch with people in Cheltenham and Crewe who have similar problems. He says that the attitude of our Environmental Health offices varies widely. Some seem indifferent to the situation, others interested. John says that they are keen to go national on this with a campaign. The existing situation appals us. Liz & Alan emailed to say that they have a council allotment in Stockton on Tees where their potatoes are coming up the same as the pictures on our blog. They noticed the strange fernlike growths, more experienced people on site, said that they had never seen anything like it before and the nearest they could guess at was leaf roll virus. On the Allotment UK site someone on this site asked the same question and they found lots of others in the same boat. All their potatoes have this fernlike growth, a plot next but one to them has it on his runner beans another plot has it on tomatoes. At least three other plots have had their potatoes ruined in the same way. They used two year old stable manure this year but they don't know if the new stable manure that they have bought will be affected and if so don't know what to do with it! Sarah from Leicester emailed to say that she can confirm that it is present in and around the Leicester area and has been for at least two seasons. Sarah's manure came from a friend's stables in South Leics, the same source as she has used for many years. Sarah had similar problems last year and once again has potato plants that are curling up, the healthy runner bean plants (that were grown in pots to give them a good start) are starting to struggle. Several plants in the herbaceous beds are showing the same symptomatic leaf curl, particularly those from pea related families. Other crops such as the lettuce, rocket and courgettes and one row of potatoes are looking fine. She also found that the manure appeared 'slimy' and has not broken down well. In fact on the flower beds there are still hard clumps on or just below the surface soil. Tiff is a plot holder on Chapel Allerton Allotments in Leeds. The problem is all over their site. Although they are very distressed at this news, at the same time they are heartened to know they will not be fighting this alone. Eileen from Surrey emailed to say that she has had problems growing tomato plants in the past and so decided to carry our an experiment earlier this year. She put 6 plants that she had grown from seed into large pots. Three of them went into straight container compost purchased from local garden centre. Three of them were mixed in some composted stable manure purchased from the same garden centre. She wanted to monitor and see the difference that additions of manure would make. Then she read about problems with manure. When she checked the three plants grown with manure added were showing the classic symptoms. Ten other plants that have not come into contact with this particular product are healthy and laden with flowers and fruit. She compared with someone else that had the problem to find out they had used different brands of "100% Organic" manure but later found out that the same company had produced the manure under a different label. The company deny that their product is contaminated. Eileen is passing on her findings to her MP.
Guy, location unknown as yet, posted in the visitors area that he has the aminopyralid problem and he is sure the contaminated came from a well known brand of Organic Blend Farmyard Manure. He has two raised beds. He had enough local manure to treat one, and bought the branded product for the other. The bed treated with local manure is doing really well, but the ******bed had about half the plants die in the first week or two, and the survivors are small with cupped curled leaves. Even weeds aren't growing well in the Led. I've done nothing different between the two beds beside the local/***** manure and there are different crops, but the health difference is staggering. I've not read any other reports of bagged manure being a problem so I hope this highlights the problem. We've contacted *******who were unaware of the problem but asked to have the manure bag sent to them (which we still have). Lloyd, in Bedfordshire, posted in the visitors' area put well rotted manure in his new greenhouse border and vegetable patch. His tomatoes have been hit badly, but courgettes and cucumber unaffected. His runner beans are showing some sign of leave curl, as are peas. His diagnosis is further complicated by the fact that he introduced a lot of top soil at the same time, and that the manure supplier (and her relatives) are successfully growing tomatoes in a high concentration of the muck. An anonymous comment from the USA was posted on our blog saying that they are having the same problems. In their case it appears to be associated with hay coming from New York State and Canada where a herbicide to control certain weeds is being applied. They have had to use "new ground" to plant a second garden. Simon from a community allotment project in Brighton, says that they have "symptoms of this vile poison in our soil, from composted animal manures, as do a number of allotment holders on the same site". He goes on to say that they appear to have a variety of plant species showing signs of contamination other than the "susceptible" crops, and he will be monitoring them for the tell-tale leaf-cupping. Some self-seeded amaranth plants seem to be displaying symptoms, so Simon suggests that maybe these could be be sown as a green manure on contaminated soil as "indicator" plants. Simon is thinking of putting affected areas down to fast-growing green manure crops, digging in and green manuring again over winter. Simon is puzzled by the lack of information in the gardening press. Kerry from West London gave this information via the Allotments UK forum. Ron is an allotment holder at the Serpentine Two Allotments on Blackpool Road in Preston, Lancashire. Plot holders there are affected with contaminated manure. Ron threw all his tomatoes away now potatoes and beans both French and runner are a disaster all of them are curled up and look like ferns. (Further info since Ron last wrote, his beans seem to be making a recovery but he is worried about eating them - not just for himself but he gives quite a lot of produce to his 81 year old mother and her friend and feels really concerned about letting them have any incase of any of this chemical is dangerous to them). He and several others have been affected with the fern like growth on potatoes, tomatoes, runner and broad beans. He says, "Strangely though it hasn't affected every plant, potatoes especially the odd plant looks healthy while others around them are curled up, second earlies have all gone and the main crop is hit and miss". The plot holders had been talking about this for a few weeks now and were wondering if it was the manure or the recent increase in the flights from Blackpool airport as the take off flight path is over the allotments. As others all over the country have had plants affected in this way so they feel that they have been sold dodgy manure. Roger from Stoke Rivers, North Devon EX32 manured his organic veg garden and polytunnel in early spring 08 with good looking brought-in manure - full of worms. First affected were all tomatoes and potatoes in polytunnel, then some not all broad beans and potatoes outside, and all sugar snaps in polytunnel. Then John noticed some nettles beside the manure patch had curled leaves and were pale. Samples of plants and photos were sent to Garden Organic who replied quickly reporting herbicide damage probably due to contaminated manure. They commented that even organic farmers are not required to provide bedding from organic sources. Now we are uncertain whether to eat crops that seem OK grown on the manured land eg spinach, peppers, onions, broad beans and potatoes; and how best to get the land back to square one. Some potatoes and broad beans not badly misshapen seem to have recovered and look healthy now. Our manure supplier an organic farmer from whom we have had fine manure before had not imported any straw since 2006. Martin from Coventry said, " Ditto all this. Nice in a way to finally find the problem, assumed it was the manure was too fresh!" He goes on to say, "Only problem is, we've been eating stuff since March (Rhubarb) and potatoes for a month, although they showed little signs if any of distortion. It is the later spuds and tomatoes, whose ground was not prepared until just before planting. Rose from Stockton on Tees says that her tomatoes seem to have the same problem and are grown in a greenhouse only. They have not brought any manure into their garden. The tomatoes are planted in rings using "Gro-bag" compost. They have contacted the store where they bought the compost and have asked them if any manure could have been used in the make-up of the compost and some 3 weeks later are still waiting for a reply. Chris from Forge Farm Allotments, Sutton Coldfield immediately north of Birmingham tells us that they have had a serious problem thought to be caused by contaminated manure obtained from a local donkey sanctuary. The sanctuary buy their hay in from a farmer who admits to having used an aminopyralid spray previously. Julia from Hampton in Middlesex spread around eight bags of a commercial composted stable manure on her vegetable plot and flower Richard from Ossett - West Yorkshire visited our allotment site with a rose that he had dug up from his garden. He told us that he mulched his roses every year with manure that he obtained from someone who 'came round' each year. This year all 30 of his roses were not growing properly and having read about our problems in the local newspaper wondered if he was suffering from the same thing. We sent a photo of his rose to the RHS who have reported that the damage shown is likely to be caused by hormonal herbicide contamination. He is now going to dig up all his roses and try and to replace the soil. Lucy from Theberton in Suffolk says, "I have had so much ruined in the veg. garden and greenhouse by this dreadful poisoned manure that I go from tears to rage. Thank you so much Green Lane Allotments for keeping this very serious issue in the public eye. Why have we not seen the press picking up such a serious issue. Margaret from Somerset, near Wells, reports that back in August she had the cause of the damage to some of her crops confirmed by the R.H.S. Damage occurred to tomatoes which Margaret grows in greenhouse beds. These beds were completely dug out this spring and then refilled with own ‘home grown’ well rotted compost (made throughout 2007), plus some sharp sand. Margaret sats that she hasn’t felt able to eat the fruits from the most badly affected plants.
Heather from Brindle Road Allotments Association at Bamber Bridge, Preston in Lancashire reports that plot holders on her site have established to their satisfaction that the manure they receive on their allotment site is infected, with this stuff. Heather goes on to say, "One member actually grew potatoes in pure old manure. No soil at all. Nothing else added but rain. Not as an experiment. It was actually a new plot holder who was raising beds and decided to do this on a bit of land which had been dug up down to the clay to raise other beds. You have seen photos of the effect, and that was the effect on those potatoes. It was after harvesting a poor crop we actually learned anything about this herbicide. The majority of plot holders are between 50 and 90 years young, so most of us have been in contact with DDT, asbestos dust, water from lead water pipes and heaven only knows what else. Our concern is not the health issues at all. We are just fed up not getting things to grow. All we want to know is how long do you have to keep the manure for the chemical to have died?" She further states, "The chap who is delighted to leave his stable sweepings to avoid waste costs, told me that there was nothing in the weed killer he uses to poison anyone because his 'show horses' have delicate stomachs and they would not dare use anything which might harm valuable animals. He sprays the field once a year, in Spring and leaves it six weeks before the animals are allowed into the field but one of our members is involved with farm supplies and has told me that the herbicide used in the field does contain aminopyralid. A few of us have found that the compost we bought from **** was causing plants to die too. Of course we knew that we could not prove anything BUT interestingly, I found out that ****buy their compost from the company, ****** Borough Council dump all their green waste on. Helen from Newcastle under Lyme, Staffordshire said "Thanks for the reminder about contaminated manure. I clicked on the links and after looking at some of the pictures of distorted veg plants, its only just occurred to me why my runner beans have, for the first time in years, been extremely poor with such a weird and unusual growth!! The young plants were greenhouse raised and very healthy when planted out. They certainly didn't progress as usual and in fact I lost about 7 plants and I put that down to wind. Of the remainder about 15 of them grew leathery, distorted and thin leaves exactly like the runner beans featured on this website. At the time I wondered whether it was some sort of virus but it probably now all points to the fact that some time prior to planting, I dug in several bags of composted stable manure purchased from a local garden centre. I'm certainly going to be vigilent and make sure what I'm getting. Thanks very much. You might just have saved my crops for next year!! The above points to the fact that those supplying free horse manure to vegetable growers in good faith are unaware of a potential problem and also unaware of what herbicides have been used. Some larger farms contract companies to carry out spraying for them. Farmers and those with stables are victims too. If you have been supplied hay or silage that has caused a problem and were unaware that a herbicide had been used contact us - I will treat any information in the strictest confidence. It is disturbing to see bagged products being mentioned and supplies from organic farms. Please continue to email details of your experiences and let me know how much you wish me to reveal on the website. If you prefer, no mention of your case will be posted publicly but the information given will allow us to get a fuller picture of what is going on! From the cases above Surrey seems to be a hotspot - or maybe it is just that they are sending more information from that area. I have read elsewhere of Ireland and Scotland being affected but as yet no-one from those areas have made contact - what about the rest of Europe too. Also comments about the texture etc of the manure would be interesting. Information from the Pesticide Safety Directorate
Information from other sources including DOW Agrochemicals Victims of Contaminated Manure
So should we trust organic labeling?
they are suffering after being transplanted and unless the spoon like leaf shape is present this is not due to herbicide damage. RHS advice is to water with dilute
fertilizer solution such as Miraclegro. This gets nutrients into the plant
and gets them off to a flying start. I'm also not too sure about the broad beans - At first we thought that we had damage to broad beans, however looking at some beans growing on uncontaminated plots the tops of the beans had leaves that folded upwards. Our bean leaves weren't spoon shaped just folded. Also we have had a dry spell and often peas and beans don't swell due to lack of water. We do have runner beans on our plot though that are starting to go spoon-shaped.
At Green Lane, Horbury, Wakefield people using manure from the same source have had varying amounts of contamination. It is possible that manure taken from different levels in the pile have different concentrations of the herbicide residue. I am told that manure nearer the bottom of a pile could be more badly affected also if as in our case silage was bought from different suppliers I guess some areas of the heap may be OK. On our site just two of the loads supplied as yet are not causing any problems.
If you read this anonymous I'd love more information as this is our first contact from outside of the UK - any more out there?
Must admit I am not at all sure how the indicator plant idea will work as if the herbicide residue is only released when the plant material breaks down then the residue could be being released at anytime. I am told that after breaking down the residue takes 4 weeks to dissipate so I'll try and find out more about how this indicator idea will work. Also if the RHS are saying that it would be wise not to eat crops from contaminated soil even if they show no signs of damage what is the advantage of an indicator crop. I am told soya beans are susceptible too and would make a good indicator - guess it's back to the RHS - I'll let you know what they say!
It would seem, so far this year they are free from these distorted leaves but last year they had problems with a tomato and potato crops. The Maris Piper potatoes were hit showing curled leaves which they seemed to grow out of. All eventually were consumed as Kerry thought it was a problem of over manuring. Very worrying. Fingers crossed this year all seems to be fine.
At least this seems to prove that next year our soil should be OK then - maybe. I wonder how many others have eaten affected crops without knowing? It's difficult to make that decision against advice though isn't it? Especially as it seems to change. Anyone know what happened to commercial crops of affected potatoes last year?
The suspect manure was delivered last year and when turned yesterday wasn't breaking down as much as expected. There were clumps that were black & slimy and still smelt as fresh manure. . All sufferers get manure from the same farmer. The farmer refuses to accept that the manure is to blame and says that the problems are down to cultivation. Some of Ron's fellow plotters are unconvinced too.
At Green Lane we have the same Ron, potato plants growing alongside one another where one is affected and another not.
Roger - we have been given the same information re bedding supplied to organc farmers. As for the uncertainty join the club! So much for Gordon Browns lecture about not wasting food eh?
It is not uncommon for plants growing alongside one another to have one showing damage and the other perfect.
Chard is also looking slightly distorted and leaf damaged
Your experiences replicate sours almost exactly if a little later. We. also have people on our site affected in varying degrees. Apparently the squash family don't appear to be as sensitive to the herbicide residu as many other plants. Advice to date is that by next season your soil should hopefully be OK (no guaratees though and this may assume a normal summer!). Our allotments' officer tells us that the problem must be resolved between the plot holder and their supplier re: removing contaminated manure. Don't compost affected plant material - official advice is to dig it back in to the soil where the organisms in the soil will break down any residue.
Have you sent a picture of the sweet corn to the RHS - as according to our information sweet corn shouldn't be affected?
The compost needn't have manure in its composition to be affected - if any green waste or grass/hay etc is used in the manufacture contamination could have occurred.
beds in spring. She says many plants have been affected with runner beans the most obviously damaged showing distorted fern like growth and fragmented
leaves full of holes. Tomatoes, potatoes, Swiss chard and radishes all show the same curly abnormality and many shrubs also show the typical lacy leaf effect. Patio pots top dressed with this product have also shown poor growth and several subjects have died altogether.
It may not affect his valuable horses sensitive stomachs just as we are told it will not affect human health but it KILLS plants!
So should we trust organic labeling?
